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| Posted: Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 01:06 am |
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seawaves
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Hi
One very important thing that has been missed out by most readers are that the person would need extraordinary security and he should never be careless about that.
Secondly, during the course of his Presidentship, he would make atleast one very blunderous decision. Well, fianally he would come out of it victorous.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 02:16 am |
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Helen B
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Pamelah wrote:
dividing the hand this way is news to me and doesn't make sense - I've seen others divide the palm into 4 sections -s hte premise of what you are sharing doesn't make sense to me (where is the emotion if there are only two parts to a hand?).
Hi Pamelah,
yes you are right there is a method of dividing a hand into 4 parts. I just got slightly confused with that method and did not expressed my thoughts properly :cry.
Let me try to put it in different words. Let say when there is a branch that connecting a Head Line with a Heart Line it is some-kind of affecting a quality of the Head Line right? Doesn't that means that emotions will play some part in decision making?
So I was thinking if a Heart Line with it's energy can affect a Head Line if it is located closer to it
Am I getting confused again? :screwy
Basically does the placement of the Head Line (besides being detached from the Life Line) affects the quality of the Head Line and decision making? Let say a high placed Head Line (closer to Heart Line) verses Low placed Head Line
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 02:29 am |
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Pamelah Landers
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Helen, with your two questions, here is my response:
there are lines that connect the head and heart lines - the board of directors, for instance is one that connects the two lines and of course the Simian Crease where the two lines are merged.
Your second question about placement of the head line - I'm sure it matters if it's closer to the heart line but in that case, I'm going to look at the structure of both the head and heart lines to determine the influence of the heart line on the head line. And mostly in a reading, I wouldn't talk about this unless I was on the 3rd or 4th reading for somebody.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 02:36 am |
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seawaves
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Helen
More the head line closer to the heart line, the bigger is the person a risk taker. Which means judgements are getting influenced by heart and not by rationality of mind. Further, if the head line is seprated from the life line, in such case, the person can make very risky decisions. And in the situation, where the head and heart line are same, merged, connected etc, you already know what happens.
Lines connecting the two depends upon under what mount.
Now, at the end, whether these decisions are successful or not will depend on many other factors, but may not be the most wise decisions.
Have Fun
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 02:40 am |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 02:43 am |
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Pamelah Landers
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Exactly - one line, one marking is just that - only one aspect of the what's in the hands. This is one of the reasons that learning to read hands is extensive and requires study - combining information on individual markings takes a lot of practice.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 02:46 am |
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Helen B
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Seawaves wrote:
More the head line closer to the heart line, the bigger is the person a risk taker. Which means judgements are getting influenced by heart and not by rationality of mind. Further, if the head line is seprated from the life line, in such case, the person can make very risky decisions. And in the situation, where the head and heart line are same, merged, connected etc, you already know what happens.
Lines connecting the two depends upon under what mount.
Now, at the end, whether these decisions are successful or not will depend on many other factors, but may not be the most wise decisions.
Thank you, this is exactly what I was questioning 
Does Obama's Head Line has Heart Line influence? Is his Head line close to the Heart Line to affect his rationality of mind?
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 02:49 am |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 03:43 am |
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seawaves
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Helen,
Obama`s Head line and Heart line are way too far and cannot be conceived as risk taker at all.
Pls do not confuse my statement to be connected to the hand of Obama. It was a general statement against your post.
The distance btw head line and heart line should be too narrow and head line should have some kind of upwards curve like a hump of a camel.
Have Fun
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 05:09 pm |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 06:11 pm |
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Rajesh
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I have read that the bracelets(not the ones obama wears as his lucky charm) are an indicator of longevity and good luck. The more the number, the better it is for the subject. Is this part of vedic astrology or accepted in western palmistry too ? Are there any other indicators in the palm on this 'forbidden' topic ?
I can't see a single full bracelet in Obama's dominant hand (left) posted here!!
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 07:53 pm |
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hansi
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Rajesh wrote: I have read that the bracelets(not the ones obama wears as his lucky charm) are an indicator of longevity and good luck. The more the number, the better it is for the subject. Is this part of vedic astrology or accepted in western palmistry too ? Are there any other indicators in the palm on this 'forbidden' topic ?
I can't see a single full bracelet in Obama's dominant hand (left) posted here!!
In addition to what Rajesh mentions here, I would like to ask:
I have also read somewhere that an upward curve of the bracelet into the palm in a female's hand - has some gynaec issues or infertility or something.. Again please excuse me -I am not trying to digress from the original topic..
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 08:47 pm |
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Pamelah Landers
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I think starting a new discussion on bracelets would be a great way to get feedback. Nobody would know that is content on this discussion. Hansi, would you start one or Rajesh?
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23rd, 2009 07:18 am |
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Rajesh
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Yeah, a new topic on bracelets would be better.. Let me start one as I read couple of things on it..we can then discuss over their accuracy..
Coming to Obama's palm, did anyone notice any special signs like a star, trident, circle. anything else.. He is the most powerful person on earth (See what he did on day 1 itself.. stopped guantanamo trials, tough stand on terrorism etc..) and going by his background and where he is today is in itself a tremendous leap.. so some special signs have to be there, right ?
I don't mean to offend but the comments by Ms. Reid in the handresearch website do not seem to be specific..They cover minor points without covering any important aspects. Ex.- ..
'You can also assume, by the strength of this line, that he watches what he eats and hits the gym regularly'..
Whoaahhh!! he sure can keep 10 minutes aside from his busy schedule for a gym session inside the white house me think !!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23rd, 2009 12:09 pm |
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hansi
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Rajesh wrote:
Coming to Obama's palm, did anyone notice any special signs like a star, trident, circle. anything else.. He is the most powerful person on earth (See what he did on day 1 itself.. stopped guantanamo trials, tough stand on terrorism etc..) and going by his background and where he is today is in itself a tremendous leap.. so some special signs have to be there, right ?
I don't mean to offend but the comments by Ms. Reid in the handresearch website do not seem to be specific..They cover minor points without covering any important aspects. Ex.- ..
'You can also assume, by the strength of this line, that he watches what he eats and hits the gym regularly'..
I would imagine any President or a person at a very high position in the government should have a strong headline, heart line and a life line- not to mention that he/she must have a good fateline that made him/her the President.
No special signs are needed to make decisions like stopping the guantanamo trials..etc. To state the facts - the 'advisors' advise the President. He does not wake up in the morning and make powerful decisions. Ofcourse, you would expect the President to weigh the pros and cons and then make a decision - like any board of director would do. In some cases, when the decision does not give expected results - the President and his team has to come out with the resolution..this is ongoing. I do not think any special signs on his hand would help him what he is now. Hence, unless we look at all the advisors' hands we can safely say as long as the President has a good strong and powerful headline - we can be assured he is taking good decisions.
As far as Lori Reid comments on the strength of the lifeline - I agree with her - the strength of the lifeline and how deeply its rooted - does show how health conscious a person is. Exercising is a way of life nowadays for everyone - looking at Obama's physique and body structure - he does not look frail and obese - so the inference - that he is watching what he is eating.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23rd, 2009 02:50 pm |
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Pamelah Landers
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What I haven't seen are his fingerprints which of course identify his Life Purpose. And since they are formed from DNA, there is an innate path people follow depending on their fingerprints. His could easily include both right and left Thumb as well as left and right Jupiter - the BIG SHOT - or somebody who has a vision, stands in his own power, creates community and manifests, makes things happen through leadership.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23rd, 2009 03:21 pm |
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Helen B
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Hi Pamelah,
It would be nice to know Obama's finger print patterns. It would be  .
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23rd, 2009 04:23 pm |
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Rajesh
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hansi wrote:
I would imagine any President or a person at a very high position in the government should have a strong headline, heart line and a life line- not to mention that he/she must have a good fateline that made him/her the President.
No special signs are needed to make decisions like stopping the guantanamo trials..etc. To state the facts - the 'advisors' advise the President. He does not wake up in the morning and make powerful decisions. Ofcourse, you would expect the President to weigh the pros and cons and then make a decision - like any board of director would do. In some cases, when the decision does not give expected results - the President and his team has to come out with the resolution..this is ongoing. I do not think any special signs on his hand would help him what he is now. Hence, unless we look at all the advisors' hands we can safely say as long as the President has a good strong and powerful headline - we can be assured he is taking good decisions.
As far as Lori Reid comments on the strength of the lifeline - I agree with her - the strength of the lifeline and how deeply its rooted - does show how health conscious a person is. Exercising is a way of life nowadays for everyone - looking at Obama's physique and body structure - he does not look frail and obese - so the inference - that he is watching what he is eating.
hansi, you may be right there.. I read that a certain Mr. Favs(his nick name) writes all the speeches for Obama. This would be the case in his other activities as well. So.... his advisors do have a major role in what he does.. but ultimately its him who puts the final stamp on everything.. I think theres gotta be something special rather than just good head/heart/life and fate lines.. just my take.. i am just a novice in this area..
by the way if a fate line ends on or on the centre of mount of jupiter it signifies extraordinary sucess, distinction and power in life (going by the book of M. Katakkar that I am reading).. since we don't have the fingerprints yet, these cannot be confirmed fully.. i think we will know a lot more about him if we could get clearer pictures...
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 02:00 pm |
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Rajesh
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Aahhhhhh..... I think I figured something out....
I am not sure if this has been discussed elsewhere in this forum but I noticed the dark marks near the mounts in few pictures of Obama's hands posted in the forum. One usually gets such marks in the gym due to lifting rods and weights(without wearing those protective leather gloves). I had these marks in my hands when I used to go to the gym. They disappear in few days so you don't see them in all of his pics.. Either this or Mr. President had too many hands to shake ..lol..
I think one doesn't need to go to the gym to be fit or conscious about health. Taking a 10-15 mile jog(of course Obama might not be able to that in the open air anymore) or simply taking care of ones diet are sufficient. By any means, 'Hitting the gym regularly' is specific. Almost as if Lori already knew Obama gyms regularly and then made the statement (albeit making the link with the strong life line subconsciously).
(I am now thinking whether there is a palmistry skeptic within me..lol)
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 06:42 pm |
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Lynn
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on another thread http://internationalcollegeofpalmistry.com/forum/forum126/3884-2.html Martijn wrote
PMS Sethi who writes in the discussion:
'Mr Obama's hand belongs to Water Category.'
Pamelah Landers writes:
'I disagree with this - I think his hand is more air shaped than water.'
Peggie writes:
'I see much Air in his hand.'
And Prem, you are in between these point of views:
'... and seems to be Air or Water characteristics hand'.
Also there was discussion about headline and width of fingers in relation to handshape, but these are other hand features altogether, unrelated to hand shape! As Pamelah said we are all a mix of elements, hand shape is just one feature.
now my two penn'orth (or two cents worth), which disagrees with everyone about his hand shape 
Air hands have big square palm and long fingers. Obama does not have an air hand, because the palm is not square, it's rectangular. (The Obama look-alike appears to have air hands though!) :-)
I am having difficulty measuring the finger length because of the different pictures and angles, but from the pic in the Lori reid article, the earth finger (saturn) is about 77% the length of the palm below it, so it isn't long (appears longer as it's high set), and it is shorter than the width of the palm. So technically, if I got my measurements right, it's a fire hand.
However on another picture, the palm is narrower and earth finger is same width as palm, so that would make it a fire/water combination hand.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 07:09 pm |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 10:03 pm |
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Lynn
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hand_research wrote:
6 Hand analysts ... 4 different hand-type characterisations ... 
Lynn, thank you very much for explaining HOW you arrived at your conclusion! I think it is obvious the other observers must have been using other criteria!!?
Yes it amused me too! At first glance I thought it was water shape. But then when I started measuring,,,, as I said, different pictures show different measurements so it's hard to be sure. However I'm sure the palm is rectangular, not square. I hope others were using different criteria - if we are all using the same, and have 4 different conclusions, that's not good! You can see why Johnny Fincham took handshape out of his second book, as in his first book people found it difficult and were falling at the first hurdle!
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25th, 2009 03:51 pm |
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Pamelah Landers
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And one thing it brings up for me is what defines a specific hand shape. Most people don't have one hand shape so maybe Obama's hands are like most people - a combination. I feel some water because of the lack of wideness but it feels mostly like air because by my definition it's not fire or earth, which both have short fingers and his fingers don't look short to me so that leaves water and air.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25th, 2009 11:07 pm |
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Lynn
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The system I use for elemental handshape is the same as the one in Johnny Fincham's book "The Spellbinding Power of Palmistry". Of course the book can only give a basic outline, we went more in-depth at the seminars to enable us to distinguish combination hand shapes.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26th, 2009 03:46 pm |
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hand_research
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Hopefully ... can we agree that Obama's hand can not be described simply with one single hand type?
(I think only very few hands meet the majority of the characteristics related to a 'classic' handtype)
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26th, 2009 04:32 pm |
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Lynn
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hand_research wrote:
(I think only very few hands meet the majority of the characteristics related to a 'classic' handtype)
Actually I disagree, but that's a whole new discussion! :-)
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26th, 2009 04:38 pm |
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Pamelah Landers
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I'm with you Martijn. It makes no sense to me, like with any part of ourselves, that one hand identified marking, even the shape or the fingerprints, is the entire picture.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26th, 2009 05:20 pm |
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Lynn
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Sorry Pamelah I don't understand your last comment, the bit about entire picture? of course we look & compare at all aspects of a hand, so not sure what you meant.
edit - I notice Martijn said the majority of the characteristics & "hand type" - are we talking about the same thing?
I was just talking about hand shape.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26th, 2009 07:51 pm |
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hand_research
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hand_research wrote:
Hopefully ... can we agree that Obama's hand can not be described simply with one single hand type?
(I think only very few hands meet the majority of the characteristics related to a 'classic' handtype)
Lynn &Pamelah,
Just for explanation:
I think that for example 'classic' earth hand type is defined by certain characteristics in the hand shape (e.q. thick + square palm), fingers (e.g. broad + short fingers) hand lines (e.g. few + wide lines), dermatoglyphics (e.g. rough + arch fingerprints), etc.
A 'true' earth hand should meet all those characteristics, and then this hand could be described as: 100% earth hand.
However, a hand including the above mentioned feature regarding hand shape, fingers & hand lines ... combined with 'fine dermatoglyphics+ loop fingerprints'; could be described as a combination hand type:
75% earth hand type + 25% water hand type (percentages serve only as an example).
So, my point was: I think most hands can not be described as: '100% ? hand type';
however, I think most hands can be described as for example: '62.5% X hand type' + '25% Y hand type' + '12.5% Z hand type'
(62.5% + 25% + 12.5% = 100%)
Do we agree on this perspective?
(I yes, do we agree that Obama can not be described as: 100% ... hand type?)
:laugh PS. Was my message really so confusing?
Last edited on Mon Jan 26th, 2009 07:53 pm by hand_research
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26th, 2009 08:21 pm |
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Lynn
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Sorry I misunderstood what you meant by 'hand type'. I was just talking about hand shape.
eg earth handshape = square palm, short fingers.
Of course, as you say, when you start looking at other features you get all kinds of combinations of elements. So, yes I agree there is no such thing as a hand where every feature is the same single element.
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