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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 04:10 am |
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the observer
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Hello!
This probably isn't new to a lot of old members here but rather, I'm posting this for the newbies.
These are the Handprints of Albert Einstein. A genius like me...hahaha. Kiddin'
Enjoy! 
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 04:11 am |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 06:02 am |
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seawaves
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Hi
At the outset, nobody could have said, this was a handprint of a Great Scinetist of all times.
The short hand , short fingers, small thumb etc actually disqualifies him to run for such a succesful title.
And then he has a marriage line, which drops down and merges into the heart line. I am very curious to find this out, what happened to his married life.
The only unique thing, I see is the Head line is very sharp and then bifurcastes into two distinct lines. Further, the fate line starts from the moon and reaches out to the saturn. Nevertheless, nothing which would suggest of being destined to become the Most Famous Scientist.
Heartline is chained. As far as I know, he had a healthy life.
Well, this is what proves that nomatter what the lines predict, there is more goodfortune stored in the Person`s hand and it is the right use of Mind, which overtakes most situations. I wonder, why Einstien gave his handprint for reading.
Good Post Observor
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 11:36 am |
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Rainejoy
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As far as I know, the short fingers mean he was very intuitive. I don't see the thumb as small, I see it as quite important and well-formed in this hand. The head line looks very fine and a wonderful branch. The development of mounts of luna and venus give wonderful weight and depth and resources to the palm.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 11:56 am |
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temoor
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Hi seawaves and observer,
Nice try,
I think observer has taken these prints from this address
http://www.dermatoglyphics.com/einstein/
I noticed few more thing and that is that "His Thumb"
strong and having division into parts.
2. Strong mout of venus and strong mount of luna.
3. Heart line starting from the mount of jupiter
4. A very long and good "Mercury Finger".
But
all of these symobls or marking don't guide me towards the great scientist of all the time albert einstine rather these are the marking of a "Traveller" and a "beauty concerning profession" or sale person's hand.
I differ with the opinion that, this is the print of albert einstine because
1.It don't have clear and single sun line.
2. It don't have long and clear fate line
3.Even it don't have a single very special sign.
4. Its thumb is not as much long as anybody could expect about einstine.
Therefore,
In my opinion this is not the hand print of "Albert Einstin" rather these are the fake prints.
When i started palmistry (5 or 6 years back) I have viewed the so called "Albert Einstin's hand prints".
I am waiting any other comments, questions and replies from everybody watching this topic.
regard,
Ahmad Tamoor (Pak)
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 12:27 pm |
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hand_research
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temoor wrote: Hi seawaves and observer,
Nice try,
I think observer has taken these prints from this address
http://www.dermatoglyphics.com/einstein/
I noticed few more thing and that is that "His Thumb"
strong and having division into parts.
2. Strong mout of venus and strong mount of luna.
3. Heart line starting from the mount of jupiter
4. A very long and good "Mercury Finger".
But
all of these symobls or marking don't guide me towards the great scientist of all the time albert einstine rather these are the marking of a "Traveller" and a "beauty concerning profession" or sale person's hand.
I differ with the opinion that, this is the print of albert einstine because
1.It don't have clear and single sun line.
2. It don't have long and clear fate line
3.Even it don't have a single very special sign.
4. Its thumb is not as much long as anybody could expect about einstine.
Therefore,
In my opinion this is not the hand print of "Albert Einstin" rather these are the fake prints.
When i started palmistry (5 or 6 years back) I have viewed the so called "Albert Einstin's hand prints".
I am waiting any other comments, questions and replies from everybody watching this topic.
regard,
Ahmad Tamoor (Pak)
Hello Temoor,
Thanks for posting your thoughts.
By the way, the originals of the handprints posted by 'the observer' are indeed related to the source you mentioned: Andres J. Washington, at: http://www.dermatoglyphics.com.
However, I think this source is VERY reliable. He also wrotes some words about Einsteins' hands, at:
http://www.dermatoglyphics.com/etext/
Another short review of Albert Einstein's hands is presented at Arnold Holtzman's website:
http://www.pdc.co.il/einstein.htm
PS. I think one of the interesting hand features in Einstein's hands - so far not mentioned in this discussion - are the 'head lines are detached from the life lines'! (in both hands).
I think we can easily agree ... that Einstein is definitely a case of 'independent thinking'!
 
Quoted from wikipedia:
"In 1999 Time magazine named him the "Person of the Century". In wider culture the name "Einstein" has become synonymous with genius."
Last edited on Sat Jan 24th, 2009 12:36 pm by hand_research
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 12:40 pm |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 12:53 pm |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 12:54 pm |
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temoor
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Dear hand research,
Good Point,
But i didn't say that this is week point that einstine has short fingers.
But did u not noticed his long thumb?
I am waiting your comments, questions and replies.
Regard,
Ahmad Tamoor (Pak)
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 01:13 pm |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 01:29 pm |
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temoor
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Dear hand research,
I think his thumb is much shorter (in print) than the thumb in the image.
His hand prints show the good print of his thumb and it is quite clear that it is short than the thumb in the picture.
Also take notice of the other questions. those are
1.It don't have clear and single sun line.
2. It don't have long and clear fate line
3.Even it don't have a single very special sign.
As for as the separation between the head and life line (from begining) is concerned it can be found on a lot of hands and especially in my research more than 25% of the young one's in western and american countries have this sign.
I am waiting your comments, questions and further replies.
Regard,
Ahmad Tamoor (Pak)
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 02:26 pm |
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hand_research
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Hello Mr. Ahmad Tamoor,
Do we agree that in both the photos and the hand prints the thumb is very strong (thick, wide & pronounced)?
Regarding your comment on the length of the thumbs, I have already given you my argument that one can not observe the exact thumb length from a handprint - but from my point of view the thumbs in the handprints DO NOT CONTRADICT the information of the photos.
I already mentioned that the source (http://www.dermatoglyphics.com) is very reliable, actually ... he is one of my contacts. So I could ask him where he did get those SIGNED handprints of Albert Einstein (both handprints include Einstein's his authograph).
Regarding your comments on the sun line, fate line, etc. ... maybe the hands of Albert Einstein do not meet your EXPECTATIONS, but would this prove that the handprints are not authentic?
Sorry Mr. Ahmad Tamoor, but so far I SEE no evidence at all for me to have doubts about the authenticity of these SIGNED handprints; and obviously some very experienced palm readers (Arnold Holtzman, Richard Unger) elsewhere in the world have had no doubts about the authenticity of the prints while writing their hand analysis of Einstein's handprints.
Best wishes from The Netherlands,
Martijn.
PS. Again, can we agree that in both the photos and the hand prints the thumb is very strong??? (thick, wide & pronounced).
I think, so far, this is the photo which provides the most usefull info about the length of the thumb because the hand is almost 'stretched' & the thumb is held close to the palm:
I think Einstein's right thumb is quite long, but not extremely long
(From the other photos: the thumb length of the left hand could a bit longer than the right hand - but I think: the hand postions on the photos are far from ideal to make any specific observation regarding the left thumb).
Last edited on Sat Jan 24th, 2009 03:14 pm by hand_research
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 04:15 pm |
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hand_research
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... one more thought:
Mr. Ahmad Tamoor,
Regarding finding any 'signs of genius´, I think we would need a higher quality handprint of Einstein´s hands to find such signs.
By the way, we should also realise that Einstein was probably a person who has autism (the Asperger syndrome: high IQ autism). And if you're still not convinced:
This youtube video includes a photo of Einstein's stretched right hand (visible after 2:16 minutes):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wRRNeAilrnM
Last edited on Sat Jan 24th, 2009 04:21 pm by hand_research
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 05:25 pm |
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Manfred
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Dear handreaders,
some things would be easier if even well-known experts would name their sources:
There is absolutely no doubt those are original prints of A. Einstein, taken around 1930 in Berlin from Marianne Raschig, one of the well-known palmists at that time there. (There is another, younger print of him in Johnny's book.)
They were originally issued 1931in her book in Hamburg, together with prints she took from other celebrities of that time like Marlene Dietrich, Enrico Caruso....I have this book in my library.
Manfred
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 05:47 pm |
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hand_research
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THANK YOU MANFRED!!
Our combined knowledge here works excellent & very time-efficient!
PS. Manfred, maybe you're also able to guide us to a person who can present us higher quality handprints/photos of Einstein's hands?
Last edited on Sat Jan 24th, 2009 05:50 pm by hand_research
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 06:52 pm |
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Lynn
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Thanks Manfred, I was trying to find the source of the prints. We discussed Einstein's hands when I studied with Cheirological Society. I remember being told that Einstein used to fall asleep in the lab, then wake up with a whole idea / theory, or solution to the problem, then he had to work out the maths & physics! Getting ideas in this way would fit with that part of the headline going down into luna mount. Then he could operate on the upper fork of headline to work out the logical stuff.
seawaves, regarding his marriage - his first marriage failed, later he married his cousin, tho I seem to recall that his love-life was a bit more complex than that ;-) you can read about his life on wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 11:04 pm |
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Rainejoy
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His hands look brilliant to me, but I guess I am too unimportant to even include me in the conversation. This website is unbelievably cliquey!!!
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 11:30 pm |
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Lynn
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whoa! Rainjoy I am so sorry that you feel that this website is cliquey. but thanks for pointing it out, as I post here quite often & I wasn't aware of it. I have known some of the members a long time, so guess I tend to mention their names & respond to their posts more. I think you make some valuable contributions, sorry if I never said that before!
Actually when I wrote about Einstein's headline going to luna, and his dreams, I had your comments in mind about him being intuitive & branched headline. Sorry, I didn't mention your name, but I agreed with you! I haven't even looked at his thumb tho.
(edit) PS sorry Rainejoy, I spelt your name wrong.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25th, 2009 02:12 am |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25th, 2009 03:15 am |
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temoor
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Hi dear members,
My point of view is hand should itself speak that "it is the hand print of Albert Einstin".
I have print collection and notes on print of more than hundred famous people including Great Pakistani Atomic Scientist "Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan"and other scientists such as, Dr. Atta-ur-Rehman, Dr. Abdul karim, (All of these are scientists ).
This so called albert Einstin print don't have sun and fate lines (Stable and good). and all the above name have these lines.
Further more as for as the mount of luna and mount of venus development is concerned it doesn't point out about a scientist.
My uncle (who is painter and caligrapher) has such developed both of these mounts and short fingers as well. then what special in these signs.
(What special in these signs?).
As for as the autograph is concerned it may be a palgarism case.
If any body have such a palm print with fake autograph of stephen hawking and would say that this is the handprint of "Stephen Hawking". Will you believe this?
Dear, we should take this whole stuff with logic.
As for as the thumb length is concerned, After many time of analysis, my opinion and observation still differ with Mr. Hand research. Lets agree on disagreement.
I never accept anything untill and unless that proves itself.
I am waiting comments and replies from everybody.
Loving regards,
Ahmad Tamoor (Pak)
Last edited on Sun Jan 25th, 2009 03:17 am by temoor
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25th, 2009 05:48 am |
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Manfred
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Dear members,
Martijn: I'm sorry, but I don't have any photos of A. Einstein's hand in my collection. But I also think, there is no need: Everyone can see on yours or popular other photos and on the print that he have big thoumbs, a little bit couse in the base!
I also see the "short fingers" different, because they are not course, more fine and intuitive. The base is of the hand is heavy. We find it often with very vital people. Oten they work a lot or get very old (Leni Riefenstahl is the most impressive print I have in this direction).
>>Take into consideration: A. was a left hander though I have the imrpession on the photos, he used both hands nearly in the same way.
Lynn: It was no critic in your direction, but a little bit in Arnold's, because I never find any statements about other handreaders or or handreading sources in his texts.
temoor: I don't really understqand your problem. In the (doubblle-) picture up here we find a very long Saturn line in the right hand, in the left there are some chages in the direction. there is also a impressive long Sun line in the right.
The headline are also very long, intellectual sharp, going to the middle of the Moon and devided in two ends at both hands: The writer's fork. The Mercury finger, specially on the left hand is long, specially the tips.....
Manfred
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25th, 2009 10:09 am |
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temoor
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Hi dear Manfred,
Wow amazing. You find a clear sun line on the So called Albert Einstine's hand print.
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Ahmad Tamoor (Pak)
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25th, 2009 10:35 am |
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hand_research
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temoor wrote: Hi dear members,
My point of view is hand should itself speak that "it is the hand print of Albert Einstin".
I have print collection and notes on print of more than hundred famous people including Great Pakistani Atomic Scientist "Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan"and other scientists such as, Dr. Atta-ur-Rehman, Dr. Abdul karim, (All of these are scientists ).
This so called albert Einstin print don't have sun and fate lines (Stable and good). and all the above name have these lines.
Further more as for as the mount of luna and mount of venus development is concerned it doesn't point out about a scientist.
My uncle (who is painter and caligrapher) has such developed both of these mounts and short fingers as well. then what special in these signs.
(What special in these signs?).
As for as the autograph is concerned it may be a palgarism case.
If any body have such a palm print with fake autograph of stephen hawking and would say that this is the handprint of "Stephen Hawking". Will you believe this?
Dear, we should take this whole stuff with logic.
As for as the thumb length is concerned, After many time of analysis, my opinion and observation still differ with Mr. Hand research. Lets agree on disagreement.
I never accept anything untill and unless that proves itself.
I am waiting comments and replies from everybody.
Loving regards,
Ahmad Tamoor (Pak)
Hello Temoor,
Ok, let's agree on disagreement. Thanks for the discussion!!
Best wishes to you from the Netherlands,
Martijn van Mensvoort.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25th, 2009 11:45 am |
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Manfred
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Dear ephatically discutants,
here you have the translation of Marianne's text to the print. - I'm really sorry that the extensive treasure of German chirology is internationally so unknown.
“Albert Einstein’s hand (p.138) speaks without extending explanations for his own. It betrays the whole elan of this great thinker and scholar. It shows great harmony with their widely curved and beautiful drawn lines, with many bright illuminating dots and an extending net of rays on the mount of Venus.
The head line in the right hand doesn’t break at any place. It is long, broad and clear. In the last third of its way the drawing is particularly interesting and captures the whole Luna mount, strenghtened by the broad and intensive travel lines, who are coming from the percussion.
The left heart line is in kind of a thin line interweaved with itselves, on the righthand it is drawn with itselves and grabbed.
All in all the right hand has developed a more harmonious shape: Through clearness to the truth!
Here too: On both sides of the heart line arise the picture of a tree full with fruits. Under the middle finger is a Andrew cross, on the left Jupiter mount a broad star, who is sending a ray into the finger.
On the left Mercury mount we notice many little tuning forks. The fingers are striving upright, fine subdivided and elastically up. They tell us about a most extended empathy. This shows us his very fine and tender signature, too.”
>>From: Marianne Raschig, Hand und Persönichkeit, Gebrüder Henoch Verlag, Hamburg 1931, Bd. I, S.134
In 1985 „Spiegel“, at great German weekly journal wrote about her hand print collection that was offered by Sotheby in London. Three of them – the one of Igor Stravinski, Alban Berg and Richard Strauss – were sold by 10 000 DM at that time.
Manfred
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25th, 2009 04:46 pm |
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hand_research
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:yes
(Thanks again Manfred!)
Einstein's right hand:
Fingerprints from thumb to little finger: whorl - whorl - loop - whorl - loop
Some other dermatoglyphic features in the palm: loop between index finger & middle finger; loop between middle finger & ring finger; palmar triradius t' in the moon zone just below the head line & the sun line goes trough this triradius.
Last edited on Mon Jan 26th, 2009 11:00 pm by hand_research
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25th, 2009 04:53 pm |
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hand_research
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... a few other observations:
1 - In both hands on each finger: the lower phalange is shorter than both the middle phalange + the distal phalange.
2 - The fingers in Einstein's left hand appear to be much longer than the fingers on his right hand (while R-L difference in the palm width is much smaller) - this could be strong evidence for the assumption that Einstein was left handed.
Why? You can understand this in the perspective of some research results on left-handedness which I presented a few years ago: The hand & handedness
3 - Einstein's "2D:4D digit ratio" appears to be quite low (for both hands near 0.94) - this could be seen as supportive evidence for the asumption that Einstein had autism. You can read a bit more about the research on autism & "2D:4D digit ratio" at: The Hand & Autism
Last edited on Sun Jan 25th, 2009 05:03 pm by hand_research
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25th, 2009 06:02 pm |
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Manfred
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....you are wellcome.....
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26th, 2009 02:10 am |
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the observer
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That is the coolest Einstein Handprint that I've ever seen. It's so clear. Thanks for posting it up.
Dear Hand_research, do you have any link on how to read fingerprints?
It is true that the more whorl you have the better?
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26th, 2009 03:45 am |
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Manfred
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Matrijn: Thanks for preparing the scanned prints. I'll take them and M. Raschig's text over to the Cybrer Cafe. May be there are not all members here, too.
Manfred
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