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Interesting article Martijn. I feel quite sad reading it.
I have been puzzling about the photo of the back of Michael Jackson's hands since you first posted it on May 18th. It was the "bruised" look of the lunula that was most on my mind. Reminded me of the colour of "splinter haemorrhage" - but on MJ's nails it is more widespread than splinter & is on lunula rather than proximal part of nail.
I referenced red lunula on your website, Red Lunulas are a non-specific finding in such disparate conditions as: congestive heart (cardiac) failure, rheumatoid arthritis, and pulmonary disorders (lung disease). Less common causes are: alopecia, lupus erythematosus, and poisoning (carbon monoxide, heavy metal).
But MJ's lunula were not really red, I found some reference to Tegafur, an anti-cancer drug that causes black colour to lunula. But I couldn't find anything that really explained MJ's lunula. Interesting that you address this in your article re brown lunula.
Regarding his brown, cracked nails At first I thought the colour of the nails looked like maybe some fungal infection. It was only yesterday after reading about his skin condition, vitiligo, that it occurred to me .... his nails look brown compared to the rest of his hand... is this because the skin under the nails could not be treated with the bleaching cream he must have used to even-up his skin tone once the vitiligo became too widespread to cover with brown make-up? I concluded that maybe under his nails you can see his black origin, the skin remained brown there, despite the rest of his skin becoming white. ??
(edit) - whilst I was writing you announced the finished article, which I haven't read yet.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 12:11 am |
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Lynn
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P.S. I also read some quote from Michaels' brother Marlon saying that Michael had a form of lupus,,,,, which is connected with vitiligo and heart conditions. ???
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 12:21 am |
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hand_research
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Lynn wrote:
But MJ's lunula were not really red, I found some reference to Tegafur, an anti-cancer drug that causes black colour to lunula. But I couldn't find anything that really explained MJ's lunula. Interesting that you address this in your article re brown lunula.
Thanks Lynn!
Yes, I wasn't aware of the possibility that the lunula can become brown/black due to (cancer & HIV) drugs either (I only found some usable info via 'google books'!  ).
Thanks for your info about 'tegafur' - I will include that info in the nail tutor as well!
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 12:27 am |
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hand_research
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Lynn wrote: P.S. I also read some quote from Michaels' brother Marlon saying that Michael had a form of lupus,,,,, which is connected with vitiligo and heart conditions. ???
Yes, I found likewise info during my 'research' ... but I wasn't aware that lupus/vitiligo is associated with heart conditions. Thanks, I will see if I can find some additional info in order to find out if your info could serve as an additional interesting story in my article.
Good lord ... Michael 'survived' pretty long after so many troubles - including a 'depth' of about 200 million dollars (I think he really needed that last ''Tour' in order to feed his children ... but his likely his true motive was to 'beat' the results of his biggest succes: the 'Thriller' album).
:laugh
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 12:52 am |
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Lynn
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I read something about a debt of $620 million :surprised I can't comprehend such figures.
by the way, sorry this is not related to the heading "Michael Jackson Palm" I am going off topic same as Prem. However I prefer the Michael Jackson discussions kept together here, Prem's posts being an interesting sideline.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 06:57 am |
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Hi Martijn,
I went through In Memoriam: 'The Hands of Michael Jackson!',
and found it interesting.
You mentioned that the sudden cardiac arrest could be due to an island in the heart line below mercury finger,i.e., that point approximately corresponds to the age when Michael passed way.
Does that mean , the heart line in a normal person "ENDS" on the percussion side ?
Going through the forum and Pamela's blog,
I was of the opinion that heart line "STARTS" from the percussion side of the
palm !!!!
Would appreciate if you throw some light on this !:thanx
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 09:57 am |
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hand_research
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happyman wrote: Hi Martijn,
I went through In Memoriam: 'The Hands of Michael Jackson!',
and found it interesting.
You mentioned that the sudden cardiac arrest could be due to an island in the heart line below mercury finger,i.e., that point approximately corresponds to the age when Michael passed way.
Does that mean , the heart line in a normal person "ENDS" on the percussion side ?
Going through the forum and Pamela's blog,
I was of the opinion that heart line "STARTS" from the percussion side of the
palm !!!!
Would appreciate if you throw some light on this !:thanx
Hello Happyman,
For quite a while I am aware that the starting point of the heart line has historically been 'in debate'; Ed Campbell's "The Encyclopedia of Palmistry" describes this very well on mage 146:
"Heart line. ... To the indian, this line has influence over longevity and is more important on this issue than the life line. It certainly has some significance in longevity to other palmists, because if is related to the emotions and the cardiovascular system.
There is disagreement on where this line starts. The Indians and most Western palmists believe this line begins at the percussion under the little finger. However, the Indonesian palmist Yaschpaule, along with the Western palmist, Benham, believe the line actually starts from the area on the mount of Jupiter and crosses the palm to end on the percussion below the little finger. Schaumann and Alter report that it begins to form from this side of the hand in embryonic development."
Some additional info:
The last aspect includes an important point: scientific studies (described by Schaumann & Alter, 1976) have pointed out that the heart line begins to develop in week 12 of the prenatal hand (the begin of the life line is seen a bit earlier; the begin of the head line in week 13). I wrote an article titled 'The prenatal development of the hand' a few years ago - but it is not yet available on my website.
So, the answer to your question is actually far less simple than what is described in the majority of the palmistry books.
Thanks for your question!
(By the way, I would prefer to see a new discussion, if people want to sort out the details about the issue of the 'starting point' of the heart line!)
Martijn.
PS. Another photo of Michael Jackson's right hand - his double head line is here very clearly visible. By the way ... this photo indicates also the right hand has a (small) island in the heart line under the little finger (though that is not very clearly visible in the photo below). In my article I described a very large island in the heart line of his left hand (at a later age).
(The photo below is taken from this excellent Michael Jackson photo collection: http://necolebitchie.com/?attachment_id=33754)
Attachment: michael-jackson-1980-right-hand.jpg (Downloaded 743 times) Last edited on Sun Jun 28th, 2009 01:31 pm by hand_research
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 10:50 am |
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So, I would love to see a very clear photos of his RIGHT hand (double head line ) ... and his left hand as well (island in heart line).
Martijn.
^^ well I dont know..I dont think his was a double head line
(Im very interested in double head lines 'cos a palmist once told me I had one 
ANY ONE ELSE HAS A DOUBLE HEAD LINE HERE??
and anyway I got another pik MJs hand--
Attachment: jacko wacko.jpg (Downloaded 517 times)
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 11:13 am |
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happyman
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Appreciate your effort Martijn ,
What is your "belief"about the end point of the HEART LINE ?
Isn't it high time, we universally accept that it ends at the percussion side ?
What is Cheiro's / Fincham's opinion about the same ?
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happyman
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'Is reading time from the hand an illusion?'
APTLY SAID >>>>
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 05:39 pm |
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Hello Dinika,
I found your hand in another discussion http://internationalcollegeofpalmistry.com/forum/view_topic.php?id=4603
Your 'head lines' (in both hands) looks a bit like Jackson's head line in his left hand ... though I think yours could be described as a 'splitting' line of head, while in Jackson's hands there is a very clear distance between the lines of head.
OMG!! Thankyou so much for your reply I really thought that post went unnoticed!
Anyways What does a splitting line of the head mean?
And how is it different from MJ's independent double head line :O
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 07:02 pm |
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Very informative article Martijn well done thanks. Im surprised theres no mention of a mercury line. MJ seems to have a long straight mercury line reaching to and maybe cutting through the earth line. If there is a direct conjunction of the lines it seems to be around the age of 50 as well. Fincham says "Its always problematic when the Mercury line is very long and and actually crosses the earth line" and timing of illness can occur at the point of the crossing. Its a pity we dont have good prints of his hands but the mercury line also seems to be on both hands and around the point of conjunction the earth line appears wider and redder on one of the hands. Is there any significance to his mercury line and his timing of death?
Also off topic, there was mention of the MJ's debt stress. MJ may have been in a lot of debt but he borrowed off his assets. Googling MJ's assets brings up all sorts of figures but he could still be worth half to one Billion dollars. Also, I remember years ago he bought the Beatles catalogue. Who knows what that is worth now. He always had something to sell but chose to hang on to it.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 10:37 pm |
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hand_research
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Dinika wrote: Hello Dinika,
I found your hand in another discussion http://internationalcollegeofpalmistry.com/forum/view_topic.php?id=4603
Your 'head lines' (in both hands) looks a bit like Jackson's head line in his left hand ... though I think yours could be described as a 'splitting' line of head, while in Jackson's hands there is a very clear distance between the lines of head.
OMG!! Thankyou so much for your reply I really thought that post went unnoticed!
Anyways What does a splitting line of the head mean?
And how is it different from MJ's independent double head line :O
Hello Dinika,
I could say that a 'splitting' headline can be described as a less dramatic version of the presence of 2 independent head lines.
I think both hand features can be related to creative style of thinking and/or an eccentric lifestyle (when confirmed by other hand features) - however the hand features also appear to be featured with an inclination to 'mental imbalance'.
Maybe the following quote is applicable to quite a lot of people who have those hand features:
"There is a thin line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line" (Quoted from the american pianist Oscar Levant)
PS. Albert Einstein had 'splitting headlines' in both hands.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 10:48 pm |
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hand_research
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jeph wrote: Very informative article Martijn well done thanks. Im surprised theres no mention of a mercury line. MJ seems to have a long straight mercury line reaching to and maybe cutting through the earth line. If there is a direct conjunction of the lines it seems to be around the age of 50 as well. Fincham says "Its always problematic when the Mercury line is very long and and actually crosses the earth line" and timing of illness can occur at the point of the crossing. Its a pity we dont have good prints of his hands but the mercury line also seems to be on both hands and around the point of conjunction the earth line appears wider and redder on one of the hands. Is there any significance to his mercury line and his timing of death?
Also off topic, there was mention of the MJ's debt stress. MJ may have been in a lot of debt but he borrowed off his assets. Googling MJ's assets brings up all sorts of figures but he could still be worth half to one Billion dollars. Also, I remember years ago he bought the Beatles catalogue. Who knows what that is worth now. He always had something to sell but chose to hang on to it.
Hello Jeph,
Thanks! Great to know that you like the article.
Regarding your observations related to the mercury line, I think none of the pictures that I have seen so far indicates that Michael Jackson's mercury line actually researches so far that is touches the life line (see the pictures below: in both hands there appears to be a small gap between both lines).
But maybe you were able to study better quality pictures??? If so, please share them ... so that I can re-consider my observation on that aspect!
Anyway, thanks for making that point.
Greetings, Martijn.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 02:44 am |
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jeph wrote:
Also off topic, there was mention of the MJ's debt stress. MJ may have been in a lot of debt but he borrowed off his assets. Googling MJ's assets brings up all sorts of figures but he could still be worth half to one Billion dollars. Also, I remember years ago he bought the Beatles catalogue. Who knows what that is worth now. He always had something to sell but chose to hang on to it.
I actually heard on the news over the last few days that Michael sold off half of the Beatle's catalogue because he needed the money.
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Martijn, very well consolidated article and hand photos of Michael. There was so much detioration over time and at so young an age.
One note - I always thought that he started wearing the glove because he burned his hand filming the Pepsi commercial that had fire on stage. I do know he burned his hand at that filming because it was big news then. So maybe the glove turned into something bigger and possibly he had some hand surgery to deal with the burn which over time took its toll. We'll neve really know so it's all speculation.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 07:34 am |
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Pamelah Landers wrote:
One note - I always thought that he started wearing the glove because he burned his hand filming the Pepsi commercial that had fire on stage. I do know he burned his hand at that filming because it was big news then. So maybe the glove turned into something bigger and possibly he had some hand surgery to deal with the burn which over time took its toll. We'll neve really know so it's all speculation.
I have a big doubt about this accident. Did Michael Jackson actually did this accident purposely happen just to show to the world that an accident happened where in his head (hair) his hands (skin) got burnt.
Michael Jackson's Pepsi Accident happened in 1984. It is after this accident he went on a bizare hobby of Plastic Surgeries.
I would like to technically ask you all one question. MJ actually had a characteristics of one race i.e people from Africian origin countries. A person belonging to this particular race has a typicial and differend pattern of hair. This pattern of hair cannot be changed that easily.
Its only after this accident his hair and appearance became different. His hair has become smooth. Now don't tell me that once a hair gets burnt then the next hair which will grow will be of a different kind of pattern.
I personally feel or suspect that MJ could have intentionally made that accident to happen.
Other wise a person so famous cannot have an accident like this. Tell me did Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, Elton John, Dolly Parton, Merryl Haggard, Beegees, Boney M, Steve Wonder, Prince ..... did any of them have had this kind of an accident in their career or their life time ?
Why only MJ has this kind of accident and after that his appearance (skin) and his hair (genetics) changes 
Michael Jackson's 1984 accident seems to be that something is really Fishy ! which only MJ knows why it happened.
For me the Michael Jackson during "I wanna to rock with you" song period had a really good personality.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 08:53 am |
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subhasish goswami .
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THANK YOU HANSI ,
I AM TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU . IN MICHAEL'S HAND THE POSITION OF LUNA AND VENUS ARE NOT GOOD . HEART LINE IS ALSO BAD . SOME AREA OF HEART LINE IS NOT SO DEEP . END PART OF HEART LINE IS VERY BAD . HEAD LINE IS DOWNWARD LIFE LINE .THIS IS A EMOTIONAL BRAIN LINE .
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 09:04 am |
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The pepsi accident was in 1984, MJ was already wearing the glove before then. There is youtube footage of the accident & he was wearing the glove at the time. I didn't know he burnt his hand, I only remember his hair.
Prem I don't think anything fishy about his accident, just the fireworks exploded and set fire to his hair. People straighten their hair all the time, or wear wigs / hair weaves / extensions.
Was the burns accident the start of his taking painkillers?
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 09:49 am |
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Lynn wrote:
Prem I don't think anything fishy about his accident, just the fireworks exploded and set fire to his hair. People straighten their hair all the time, or wear wigs / hair weaves / extensions.
Was the burns accident the start of his taking painkillers?
So Lynn as per your explanation, after the 1984 accident did Michael Jackson go bald i.e he lost his hair completly from his head and did not grow again.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 09:55 am |
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MJ was a collector of song copyright. He may have lived beyond his means but he knew a sound investment. He bought ATV publishing a company that owned the rights to almost 300 Beatles songs + 4000 other compositions. He sold a 50% share of that company to Sony and together they operated Sony/ATV a company that owns or administers 750,000 compositions by a lot of big name people like Bob Dylan, Neil Diamond etc. He then borrowed from the value like someone might borrow from the value of a house that they own. A story back in January this year said that MJ was going to leave the Beatles catalogue to Paul McCartney in his will since they fell out over it because McCartney wanted the rights to his own songs. It will be interesting to see what the creditors and will churns up...
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 09:55 am |
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Prem I have no idea. I was just explaining how some people get straight hair, I don't know what Michael did.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 10:00 am |
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hand_research
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Lynn wrote: The pepsi accident was in 1984, MJ was already wearing the glove before then. There is youtube footage of the accident & he was wearing the glove at the time. I didn't know he burnt his hand, I only remember his hair.
Prem I don't think anything fishy about his accident, just the fireworks exploded and set fire to his hair. People straighten their hair all the time, or wear wigs / hair weaves / extensions.
Was the burns accident the start of his taking painkillers?
Thanks Lynn,
Yes, your statement is correct Michael ware the glove since 1983, before the 'fireworks' accident in 1984. And yes, from that point he has been using painkiller ... and there is speculations that this accident + the medical drugs changed his personality.
This report describes some details:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/january/27/newsid_4046000/4046605.stm
(It is said he reacted very calm and covered his hair with his jacket ... I guess this explains why his hands were not burned!)
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 10:01 am |
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EDIT:
I just read a news and this is what it says. Lynn it seems you are correct. :thumbup
The 5ft 10in star was also said to have virtually lost all his hair, and was discovered sporting a wig when he died.
Source: http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20090629/906/ten-no-food-just-pills-in-jacko-s-ravage.html
But did he loose his hair because of 1984 accident or at a later stage because of high dosages of drugs (medecines). Some thing like a chemotheraphy effect, if I am not mistaken. But in chemotheraphy the hair loss is temperorary and they grow back as and when the treatment stops. In that case was MJ medicine dose more heavier than chemothreaphy dosages?
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 12:38 pm |
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Pamelah Landers wrote: Martijn, very well consolidated article and hand photos of Michael. There was so much detioration over time and at so young an age.
 ... thanks Pamelah!
Yes, I hope we can find more high quality photos of his hand in his early years - that could make that part of 'his HIStory' even more clear by detail.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 12:54 pm |
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Hello Dinika,
I could say that a 'splitting' headline can be described as a less dramatic version of the presence of 2 independent head lines.
I think both hand features can be related to creative style of thinking and/or an eccentric lifestyle (when confirmed by other hand features) - however the hand features also appear to be featured with an inclination to 'mental imbalance'.
Maybe the following quote is applicable to quite a lot of people who have those hand features:
"There is a thin line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line" (Quoted from the american pianist Oscar Levant)
PS. Albert Einstein had 'splitting headlines' in both hands.
^^ can it also mean dual personality??As in cruel confident at one time and gentle, sensitive at other times?
WHOA!albert Einstein tooo??Thats wack!I mean Wheres the other headline anyway? I thought that was his life line not his other independent headline
OR did you mean he has got fork endings in the headline..which is not so rare if you ask me!
and ur so right about the thin line(ness) b/w genius and insanity.But its not like I go completely insane just cos i got this dual headline..But i guess since its originating from the same headline I would have more control of the apparent dual personality?
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 12:58 pm |
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pn73 wrote: EDIT:
I just read a news and this is what it says. Lynn it seems you are correct. :thumbup
The 5ft 10in star was also said to have virtually lost all his hair, and was discovered sporting a wig when he died.
Source: http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20090629/906/ten-no-food-just-pills-in-jacko-s-ravage.html
But did he loose his hair because of 1984 accident or at a later stage because of high dosages of drugs (medecines). Some thing like a chemotheraphy effect, if I am not mistaken. But in chemotheraphy the hair loss is temperorary and they grow back as and when the treatment stops. In that case was MJ medicine dose more heavier than chemothreaphy dosages?
OMG! he was wearing a wig all along? Wow i thought that was real hair..haha..anyway it was straightened hair when he actually had kinky hair.
damn..why did do too many drugs..its for the vitiligo or something?
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