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Dinika wrote:
^^ can it also mean dual personality??As in cruel confident at one time and gentle, sensitive at other times?
WHOA!albert Einstein tooo??Thats wack!I mean Wheres the other headline anyway? I thought that was his life line not his other independent headline
OR did you mean he has got fork endings in the headline..which is not so rare if you ask me!
and ur so right about the thin line(ness) b/w genius and insanity.But its not like I go completely insane just cos i got this dual headline..But i guess since its originating from the same headline I would have more control of the apparent dual personality?
Yes, 'dual personality' is another option ... but again, one really has to include other hand features to understand how the different options can manifest, or not at all!
And yes, Einstein's headlines can be described as 'fork endings' - just like in your hands. However, in Michael Jackson's hands the headlines can NOT be described as 'fork endings'.
(For, in Michael Jackson's hands there are 2 head lines - though again: the headline in Michael Jackson's RIGHT hand could be described as a headline with a very large 'interruption' and the 2 parts of the headline have a large 'overlapping')
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 03:32 pm |
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To correct something I said....I mentioned " There is youtube footage of the (pepsi ad) accident & he was wearing the glove at the time."
this is the clip - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZnUI8tfKjg
When I first watched it, I had a suspicion "this doesn't look real, it looks acted". I just watched it again, this time I read the comments & discovered it was acting out the incident for the movie about his family, The Jacksons: An American Dream.
but if it is true to the incident, he puts his hands up to his burning hair (not his jacket)
so much speculation & uncertainty. His story is so tragic. I prefer to remember him for his brilliant talent.
PS I just noticed how many people viewed this topic so far 1,170 !!! Last edited on Tue Jun 30th, 2009 01:18 am by Lynn
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 06:34 am |
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Well the whole thing looks movie-like.Maybe he just had a normal case of alopecia.
RIP MJ!!
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 06:36 am |
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lol..ok so that means like I can make another kind of E=MC2..just cos my headline is forked like Einstein ?
What does having multiple stars on the headline mean?
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 07:05 am |
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THE JUPITER POSITION OF MICHAEL'S PALM IS VERY WEAK . MERCURY AND SATURN FINGER IS CRUBE . MIDDLE POSITION OF PALM ( PLANE OF MARS) IS VERY DOWN .
THESE ALL SIGNS ARE VERY BAD .THIS TYPE OF MEN ARE ALLCOHOLIC NATURE ,
DESTRACTIVE MENTALITY AND LESS PERSONALITY .
Thank you .
Subhasish Goswami .
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 03:59 pm |
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subhasish goswami . wrote: THE JUPITER POSITION OF MICHAEL'S PALM IS VERY WEAK . MERCURY AND SATURN FINGER IS CRUBE . MIDDLE POSITION OF PALM ( PLANE OF MARS) IS VERY DOWN .
THESE ALL SIGNS ARE VERY BAD .THIS TYPE OF MEN ARE ALLCOHOLIC NATURE ,
DESTRACTIVE MENTALITY AND LESS PERSONALITY .
Thank you .
Subhasish Goswami .
That sounds like quite a generalization to say that somebody with these signs leads to alcoholism or has an alcoholic nature - i'm thinking there might be other options. I see a weak Jupiter as somebody who feels disempowered easily or feels challenges around expressing their power, which Michael certainly did with his father. His high set thumb would also indicate 'being under somebody else's influence' which emotionally I do believe that was his challenge. But he compensated by expressing his creativity in so many innovative ways and it changed so much about pop music.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 04:01 pm |
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I also find that in looking at Michael's hand specifically, and John Lennon has the same marking, his Apollo (ring) finger is much longer than normal but his Jupiter (index) finger is much shorter than normal. Long Apollo - spends lots of time in creatively expressing - short Jupiter, as I mentioned before, struggling in power issues, giving power away to others when it's not appropriate. "Others" may include not only people, but beliefs or addictions.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 08:23 pm |
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Lynn wrote: PS I just noticed how many people viewed this topic so far 1,170 !!!
 Hi Lynn, ... no doubt that during the past few days Jackson has been on the mind of over a 1000 million people around the globe, but at this forum right now this discussion had 1249 'views' - not 'viewers'!
(each viewer/participant in the discussion can have had more than 1 view!)
Looking at the number of member visitors, with only a few hours to go only 31 members visited this forum, I expect that this discussion had not much more than a 100 'viewers' at this forum.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 09:09 pm |
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yes of course  , views not viewers. I commented because I noticed how many more views it had than other topics, thinking it was a new thread,,,, I forgot it started more than 2 years ago!
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Lynn wrote: P.S. I also read some quote from Michaels' brother Marlon saying that Michael had a form of lupus,,,,, which is connected with vitiligo and heart conditions. ???
Hi Lynn,
I already confirmed that the 'lupus' story is correct. But this source present some interesting additional details:
http://hubpages.com/hub/MichaelJacksonVitiligotreatments
"An outward indicator of Michael Jackson’s Lupus, Vitiligo, and other possible health problems can be seen in his fingernails. They appear brown or dark beneath the nails all the way back to photos of his Thriller days. In the last six months or so of his life, news reports actually attested to the dastardly state of the pop singer’s hands. Changes in the fingernails can signify a fungal infection or a systemic disease like Lupus or anemia."
( ...is this true??? see the 2th picture below!)
And this new wikipedia page about Michael Jackson's health says:
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson's_health_and_appearance]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson's_health_and_appearance[/url]
"The lightened skin tone was initially due to the diseases vitiligo and lupus—with which Jackson was diagnosed in 1986"
Now, I am wondering ... since Michael Jackson has been using his 'single white hand glove' since 1983
Could Michael Jackson's use of the 'single white hand glove' AND his 'white finger tape' ... actually BOTH be the result of these diseases???
I described more related details in chapter 3 of my article:
• 3 - MICHAEL JACKSON'S FAMOUS HAND GLOVE!
PS. After some additional research, I found that I am likely not the first person who has recognized that Michael Jackson's hand glove and fingertape might be the result of his initial succesful attempt (for only a couple of years until the Oprah Winfrey interview in 1993) to disguise BOTH of his diseases:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090629125516AAg7onA
(so far, in my article I had only mentioned that his 'finger tape' could be related to his diseases - but now I recognize how both the hand glove AND the fingertape are likely related to his diseases)
This Lupus-forum discussion includes a person who described his/her fingernails as 'brownish color':
http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Lupus/forum/251816-poll-odd-i-know-moons
 I have moons in my fingernails too. My fingernails are so weird. They are a weird brownish color and they split and on my thumb nail there is a white patch inside I just cover my nails with 3 coats of nail polish. Is there anything we can do about this? My nails have really been freaking me out lately? 
(In chapter 5 of my article - 5 - 2009: MICHAEL JACKSON'S HAND DETERIORATION! - I already described that in 2006 Jackson's nails looked like: 'brown, cracked nails')
To be continued...?
(Sorry, that I presented so many details in 1 post)
:thanx
In his younger days Jackson's nails looked for sure 'normal':
And in his 'Thriller' years Jackson's nails also appeared to look quite 'normal':
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Lynn wrote: P.S. I also read some quote from Michaels' brother Marlon saying that Michael had a form of lupus,,,,, which is connected with vitiligo and heart conditions. ???
PS. Some researchers indeed point out that lupus is featured with a high chance for heart diseases.
PPS. We should also consider the fact that it has been described that Jackson's lupus turned at a certain point in time in 'remission' (not sure what that really implicates ... a permanent change?).
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Thanks for the update Martijn. That does clarify some things about his life. Hands have so much valuable information if you know what to read and how to read it!
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Changes in the fingernails can signify a fungal infection or a systemic disease like Lupus or anemia."
This is a general statement. We know that changes in fingernails can show many other health conditions.
I don't know what lupus can do to fingernails.
Yes Michael's nails appeared cracked in recent photos, but did you notice my previous wondering whether Michael's brown fingernails just show his natural brown skin beneath the nail (unchanged by any vitiligo or bleaching?). As you noted, they look normal in his Thriller days.
re This Lupus-forum discussion includes a person who described his/her fingernails as 'brownish color':
I guess we don't know ethnic origin of this person and what natural colour is the skin beneath their nails? tho I accept the person thought it unusual for them to be brown.
I always wondered what the finger tape was about. maybe you are right, but really it can only be speculation.
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hand_research wrote
PPS. We should also consider the fact that it has been described that Jackson's lupus turned at a certain point in time in 'remission' (not sure what that really implicates ... a permanent change?).
Doctors use the word 'remission' (for example in cancer patients) when it means something like - "we can't find signs of your disease at the moment but we can't say for sure you are cured (maybe it will come back but at present it is not active)"
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Lynn wrote: hand_research wrote
PPS. We should also consider the fact that it has been described that Jackson's lupus turned at a certain point in time in 'remission' (not sure what that really implicates ... a permanent change?).
Doctors use the word 'remission' (for example in cancer patients) when it means something like - "we can't find signs of your disease at the moment but we can't say for sure you are cured (maybe it will come back but at present it is not active)"
Ok, thanks!!
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Pamelah Landers wrote: Thanks for the update Martijn. That does clarify some things about his life. Hands have so much valuable information if you know what to read and how to read it!
:thumbup ... yes indeed, using reliable techniques is indeed very important.
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One of the other things I've noticed in many photos are his thumbs. Most successful people who are self-made have thumb angles at 90 degrees. Michael's, more often than not, are at about 45 degrees.
What does this mean? The 45 degree angle says to me he's under somebody else's influence - "under their thumb" and that somebody else has more power over him than he does himself. I'd say for much of his life that we DO know about, his father had that. But even through is later years, he allowed others to determine how he imposes his will.
People with 90 degree thumbs, who talk and hold their hands naturally at a 90 degree angle take charge more of their own imposition of their will - Tom Hanks and Steve Spielberg, for instance, hold their hands this way much of the time when I see them talking. It's natural, where Michael's natural position seems to be closer to 45 degrees.
I imagine, because it's organic for him, that his capacity to really do what HE wanted in the way he wanted could have been compromised often because he allowed other people's wills, other people's desire to impose their will on him to carry more weight in his decisions.
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Pamelah Landers wrote: One of the other things I've noticed in many photos are his thumbs. Most successful people who are self-made have thumb angles at 90 degrees. Michael's, more often than not, are at about 45 degrees.
What does this mean? The 45 degree angle says to me he's under somebody else's influence - "under their thumb" and that somebody else has more power over him than he does himself. I'd say for much of his life that we DO know about, his father had that. But even through is later years, he allowed others to determine how he imposes his will.
People with 90 degree thumbs, who talk and hold their hands naturally at a 90 degree angle take charge more of their own imposition of their will - Tom Hanks and Steve Spielberg, for instance, hold their hands this way much of the time when I see them talking. It's natural, where Michael's natural position seems to be closer to 45 degrees.
I imagine, because it's organic for him, that his capacity to really do what HE wanted in the way he wanted could have been compromised often because he allowed other people's wills, other people's desire to impose their will on him to carry more weight in his decisions.
Hi Pamelah,
Yes, I see what you mean ... but in general I think various of Michael's hand photos show different thumb postures. So, which photos do you have in mind to specify your observation?
I also would like to add that especially his right hand shows an inclination in the thumb to an 'inward' position (in this perspective, I think the posture of his left thumb looks often more natural - standing beside the palm)
Oh, and by the way... I think this right-left difference is also seen in the thumb angle!
(I think this is confirmed in all the pictures in my article about Michael Jackson's hands - but for illustration I only provide 1 example below: )
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Yes, and in most of his photos his right thumb is more at a 45 degree angle. I saw it on the photos I posted and ones that others posted too. It looks like it's his normal hand shape.
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Hi Pamelah,
The thumb angle/position is a bit tricky - for it might depend and differ from situation to situation - but the pattern appears to be that his right hand shows a pattern that is a bit from his left hand (right hand has a narrower thumb angle + more inward thumb position).
This photo from his HIStory tour in 1996/1997 shows that the thumb angle (of his left hand) is sometimes even very wide as well. So, in general I would conclude that his thumb angle is quite normal (maybe we shouldn't focuss too much on individual photos).
PS. Back then his fingernails looked quite normal!
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I agree that thumb angle can change in circumstances, even within the context of one conversation - but most of his photos have his right hand with his thumb closer to the fingers than at a 90 degree angle.
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Pamelah Landers wrote: I agree that thumb angle can change in circumstances, even within the context of one conversation - but most of his photos have his right hand with his thumb closer to the fingers than at a 90 degree angle.
Yes Pamelah,
What you describe is true ... but isn't that applicable to most people?
One could wonder ... is the thumb angle really an 'unusual' characteristic in Michael Jackson's hand?
(That's why asked for more/specific photos)
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PS. Maybe, in Michael's (right) hand: the narrow thumb angle could be the result of an inward postioned thumb? I think for these aspects of his hands we really need a series of right hand photos - before jumping into conclusions.
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:thumbup Confirmed Pamelah .... I think what you described as Jackson's 'high set thumb' is related to what I described as his 'inward positioned' thumb.
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... Ok Pamelah, 
