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freewill
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If i am not wrong then there is a star in his mount of jupiter.
What was its implications?
Also his sun line seems to curving and cutting his life line making an L shape. Perhaps its indicate his professional success started affecting him immensely from the time it crossed his life line.
There are also couple of crosses under his mount of sun. Is it because he has to pay the price of his success??
Also does his life line ends with a star?? I cannot clearly see its ending but it seems kind of star.
Experts please comment
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freewill
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Yaa it may be the case but it still seems very close to the star or star itself. Anyway please comment on other things i mentioned.
Anyway 3 intersecting lines will create only 3 points not 6
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anu_d
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--the hand cast is the clearest image not just of Michael's hand...but one of the best looks at a celebrity palm.
--In my expreince there are 2 categories celebrities---1st Category that have surprisingly few lines and are placed in the celestial orbits throuhg high placed and rising lines of fortune unto Jupiter and driven by the energies of super developed mounts...generally with small or non-existent fate lines.
2nd Category--the hands that have multiple special gift signs....and Jackson's is in the 2nd category:
1) Heart line that rises on to Jupiter and tridenting.
2) Double Head-Line the lower of which runs out of the hand traversing the entire length of moon...a classic sign or morbid suicidal tendencies
3) A least 3 stars on Venus indicating loved by masses and also probably sexual perversity according to some classical interpretations, 2 stars on passive mars and the best of all the star on Jupiter, atleast one star on moon.....2 on sun.....validating my belief that these special signs diffrentiate the good from the glittering superstars.
A perfect example of category-2 favored child of destiny placed in the orbit like a glittering star...that no amount of free-will, effort, positive thinking could achieve....and hence my belief that there is a desity...and hence there is a god.
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hand_research
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freewill wrote: If i am not wrong then there is a star in his mount of jupiter.
What was its implications?
Hello freewill,
I must admit that usually I have not much confidence in the interpretation of 'stars' and other 'signs' - merely because I think people sometimes project of little too much of their phantasy when it comes to the palmar lines.
But nevertheless ...
I think your observation is interesting, and could create a nice supporting anecdote.
For, I have created a ZOOM-IN of the star that you found on the mount of Jupiter in Michael Jackson's right hand (see the picture below).
It think it could be described as a '7-point star' - which is known to be quite rare ... anyway, Michael Jackson for sure was a 'star' himself.
And regarding your question:
http://www.handresearch.com/news/gift-markings-in-your-hand.htm
In this article you can read the following about the '':
Gift marker 1. The Jupiter star (see point '1' in the LEFT picture above)
SUPER TALENT: Leadership, super achiever | SHADOW SIDE: president's wife syndrome
PS. I also would like to point out that formally this constellation in Michael Jackson's hand could also be described as a 'constellation' of various lines that almost find each other in 1 center (but it certainly is not a perfect star).
NOTICE: Pamelah's first feedback also indicated that not all people would agree to call this 'constellation' in Michael Jackson's hand a star.
Attachment: michael-jackson-star.jpg (Downloaded 88 times) Last edited on Wed Oct 14th, 2009 12:02 pm by hand_research
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hand_research
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anu_d wrote: --the hand cast is the clearest image not just of Michael's hand...but one of the best looks at a celebrity palm.
--In my expreince there are 2 categories celebrities---1st Category that have surprisingly few lines and are placed in the celestial orbits throuhg high placed and rising lines of fortune unto Jupiter and driven by the energies of super developed mounts...generally with small or non-existent fate lines.
2nd Category--the hands that have multiple special gift signs....and Jackson's is in the 2nd category:
1) Heart line that rises on to Jupiter and tridenting.
2) Double Head-Line the lower of which runs out of the hand traversing the entire length of moon...a classic sign or morbid suicidal tendencies
3) A least 3 stars on Venus indicating loved by masses and also probably sexual perversity according to some classical interpretations, 2 stars on passive mars and the best of all the star on Jupiter, atleast one star on moon.....2 on sun.....validating my belief that these special signs diffrentiate the good from the glittering superstars.
A perfect example of category-2 favored child of destiny placed in the orbit like a glittering star...that no amount of free-will, effort, positive thinking could achieve....and hence my belief that there is a desity...and hence there is a god.
a_D
Hello anu_d,
Yes I agree, on that the photos of celebrities usually are not very detailed.
Sorry, but where did you find all those stars on Venus and Mars???
In general, I would like to notice that both the mount of Venus and Mars usually have many crossing lines and in 'web of lines' you will usually find a couple of constellations that could be described as 'stars'.
However, if those 'stars' are actually part of a 'web of lines' I would prefer not to identify them a stars (and ignore them as such completely, because so many people might have them).
Of course, that is only my opinion.
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anu_d
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hand_research wrote:
In general, I would like to notice that both the mount of Venus and Mars usually have many crossing lines and in 'web of lines' you will usually find a couple of constellations that could be described as 'stars'.
However, if those 'stars' are actually part of a 'web of lines' I would prefer not to identify them a stars (and ignore them as such completely, because so many people might have them).
Of course, that is only my opinion.
Dear Martijn,
I see what you mean my constelaltions and stars form by the web of lines.
The stars on Mars, Venus of Michael may be in constellation by your terminology.
To me these do count as stars and have always denoted the amzing positives of what stars stand for...and althouhg more people may have these stars....but not so many either ...because it still requires 3 lines to intersect at a point, which in itself is rare.
My theory on stars ( that has worked always for me) is following:
1) Needs atleast 6 legs to be called a star.....7,8, 9, 10 legs or more makes the stars more potent
2) Stars formed complete standalone are more potent that ones in constelaltion ( as you call it).
3) Stars formed on the main lines ( sun, fate, life, heart, head, health or bracelets ), with or wihout counting the main line are negative with the same effect as a cross...except that negativity is more potent. The only exception is if such a star happens to be on a main line on Jupiter, whihc is a positive sign.
4) Stars touching or tangent to the main line are probably negative signs.....something that still requires more validation.
Regards---a_D
Last edited on Wed Oct 14th, 2009 03:18 pm by anu_d
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PS* I have to clarify that his stars on sun are what gave Michael noterity ( bad publicity) since they were formed on / with the sun line
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hand_research wrote: Sorry, but where did you find all those stars on Venus and Mars???
In general, I would like to notice that both the mount of Venus and Mars usually have many crossing lines and in 'web of lines' you will usually find a couple of constellations that could be described as 'stars'.
However, if those 'stars' are actually part of a 'web of lines' I would prefer not to identify them a stars (and ignore them as such completely, because so many people might have them).
Of course, that is only my opinion.
I'm with you on this Martijn- I didn't see stars of Venus or Mars either, just Jupiter.
By the way, I do believe Michael's hand has a Star of Jupiter as a Gift Marking - I would identify it that way because it looks like how a Star of Jupiter looks. That is not out about leadership but super-achieving, both of which are true for Michael. By his own admission, even if we didn't see the results of this, he would achieve and achieve until he reached perfection (not always a benefit). One of my experiences with Jupiter Stars is that no matter how much is achieved, if the person with the Star doesn't acknowledge to him or herself what has been achieved, then that person feels like an underachiever. It's a bit nuts but it's very common for a Star of Jupiter person.
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And what amazes me about Micahel's palm ( and there are many thing)...it's one of the most classical representaions of "headline slopes down and runs out of the mount of moon towards wrist denotes suicidal tendencies" and with multiple random cuts / crosses on the headline on moon.......in retrospect I am not surprised he comitted suicide
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anu_d wrote: .......in retrospect I am not surprised he comitted suicide
Anu_d, Michael Jackson didn't commit suicide.
(His death was described as a 'cardiac arrest', and officiallÿ: he reportedly had been administered drugs such as propofol and lorazepam, and his death was ruled a homicide by the Los Angeles County coroner)
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anu_d
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hand_research wrote: anu_d wrote: .......in retrospect I am not surprised he comitted suicide
Anu_d, Michael Jackson didn't commit suicide.
(His death was described as a 'cardiac arrest', and officiallÿ: he reportedly had been administered drugs such as propofol and lorazepam, and his death was ruled a homicide by the Los Angeles County coroner)
Hi Martin,
Yes !! by technicalities of American law.....where somebody gave him high dosages of those drugs ......or possibily access to them that he administered in access himself ....inspite of the cautionary instructions and limits...which still is illegal.
We know he had insomnia and was taking increasing dosages of multiple sedatives
Did someone force an extra high dosage into his body....or did he do it himself by combining something over and above the prescribed adminstration?
Possibily the later.
Regards---a_D
Last edited on Wed Oct 14th, 2009 06:29 pm by anu_d
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anu_d wrote: Did someone force an extra high dosage into his body....or did he do it himself?
Most likely the later.
Regards---a_D
No, that question was answered by the official reports:
Michael Jackson got his last propofol medication from doctor Conrad Murray - there is really no ground at all to speculate about suicide (for Jackson received propofol on a daily basis to get a sleep - sometime he described the medicine as 'his milk').
You can read more details at this CNN report:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/28/jackson.autopsy/index.html
So, I think the facts provide no ground at all to speculate about suicide... after all Michael Jackson wanted to make his final dream come true: to make his planned 'This is it' World Tour a big succes.
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anu_d
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hand_research wrote: anu_d wrote: Did someone force an extra high dosage into his body....or did he do it himself?
Most likely the later.
Regards---a_D
No, that question was answered by the official reports:
Michael Jackson got his last propofol medication from doctor Conrad Murray - there is really no ground at all to speculate about suicide (for Jackson received propofol on a daily basis to get a sleep - sometime he described the medicine as 'his milk').
You can read more details at this CNN report:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/28/jackson.autopsy/index.html
So, I think the facts provide no ground at all to speculate about suicide... after all Michael Jackson wanted to make his final dream come true: to make his planned 'This is it' World Tour a big succes.
Dear Martijn,
See the extracts below in italics
The Los Angeles police chief has raised the prospect of a homicide charge over the death of Michael Jackson.
Homicide does not necessarily mean murder — it could mean a manslaughter charge against a doctor.
Jackson, 50, died last month in mysterious circumstances but is reported to have been taking a cocktail of drugs including the potent anaesthetic Diprivan, also known as propofol. Los Angeles police are investigating Jackson’s prescription drug history and have subpoenaed medical records from doctors who treated him, including psychiatric records.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6681404.ece
From various reports following become evident to me:
1) He was addicted to sedatives for insominia
2) His dosages were increasing and he was taking cocktails of drugs
3) Doctor did not give an excess of dosage....and yet Michael died of excess.
4) It's not called murder but homicide ( wierd American technicality) and the doctor has not been convicted yet for either accident or negligence.
5) We know he was addicted and was taking cocktail of sedatives, exceeding prescribed limits per various reports.
6) Did he take excess knowing it will be too much for him and he will die?.....maybe...maybe not?
However regardless of the technical reports....what is your opinion.....how did excess drugs get into Michael's system that caused death??
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anu_d wrote: Hi...as I said in my last post
How did Michael DIE ?
You still didn't read the CNN report?:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/28/jackson.autopsy/index.html
It says:
"The release said Jackson died from "acute propofol intoxication," but said "other conditions contributing to death: benzodiazepine effect."
And at wikipedia you'll see confirmed that intoxication resulted in a cardiac arrest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson
PS. The situation about his death is not complicated at all ... but only if you are aware of the facts (I did a lot of reading in the preperation of my article ... and I follow the developments to keep my article updated with the latest info until parts of the final autopsy report were published at august 28), but so far you continued this discussion with 'old' sources that only provide backdate info ... including speculations.
By the way, this New York Times report from 2 week ago (october 1) reveals some new info for me as well:
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/01/doctor-reveals-details-of-michael-jacksons-autopsy-report/
"Mr. Jackson also had reduced lung capacity due to chronic inflammation, Dr. Kain said.
“It’s an unusual finding,” Dr. Kain said. “It looked like from the pathology report that he had this condition for years, but it’s very hard to know what the reason was.”
Mr. Jackson weighed 136 pounds, stood 5-foot-9 and was free of major illnesses or serious organ damage. He suffered from arthritis of the spine and fingers, lacked pigmentation on his chest, and was balding, but otherwise was in relatively good health, Dr. Kain said."
( Again, there is no real ground for any speculation about suicide ... )
Last edited on Wed Oct 14th, 2009 07:45 pm by hand_research
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hand_research wrote: ( Again, there is no real ground for any speculation about suicide ... )
The hand is a real good ground.
and that there is no verdict on the homicide case.
Any way we can come back to this.....if / when more is published on this case.
Regards---a_D
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hand_research wrote: 
... anyone who still thinks that Michael Jackson died on suicide ... is simply not aware of the facts that happened just before his death.
hello my friend, from 2005 onwards his extremely close ones have been fearing he might commit suicide. After his death and until today there are many stories around his suicide. Off-course theories and stories don;t confirm suicide.....but tells you many out there who have bee close to Michael see the possibility of suicide, official versions notwithstanding.
(Obviously anu_d was not aware of many facts when he raised the question: 'how did Michael Jackson die?' ... and then he started reading out-dated sources ....)
==>>This is specualtion...unless you have USP
Actually, I completely disagree on his 'observations' on Michael Jackson's head line: ==>>Offcourse disagreeing constructively is your as welll as everyone's prerogative on this forum
Anu_d wrote:
"And what amazes me about Micahel's palm ( and there are many thing)...it's one of the most classical representaions of "headline slopes down and runs out of the mount of moon towards wrist denotes suicidal tendencies" and with multiple random cuts / crosses on the headline on moon.......in retrospect I am not surprised he comitted suicide"
I have not recognized Michael Jackson's head line with that characteristic, and actually, this discussion was started 3 months, 6 pages long, with many contributors ... any nobody made a likewise observation!
==>Hmm....it takes just one person to observe or discover what has been missed by many. The bit underlined above thouhg undoubtedly denotes suicidal tendenices, in refrence to or even without Jackson..
So, I have no doubt that others will agree with me that Michael Jackson's headline doesn't end at all in the lower part of the mount of Moon.
==> People can respectufully disagree with each other...this is a constructive debate and not a election where the vote of majority counts
Oh ... and by the way ... even if his headline would have had that characteristic, would that have indicated a 100% suicide???
My answer is a simple but definitely: 'no!'
==>That's a sensible answer....nothing can be defnite throuhg the palm reading alone....and no body could have predicted suicide. Now that he has died under mysterious circumstances, there are reported versions from his dad and family of fear of suicide since 2005, a known addict of drugs using them excessively and mulitple suggestions in the media from people close-by of a suicide.......I am willing to believe that those suicidal tendency lines on his palm led to his death...off course that is my opinion...based on the red statement 2 lines above this. Regards--a_D
 PS* I am a she and not a he
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Dear Martijn,
today I've got a CD of my 20 minutes short-lecture about M.J. at the anual German astrologer's conference 4th October 09 I've talked about.
It includes a short introduction in handreading, fingers and main lines and talkes specially about his doubble headline correspondenting with some important constellations in his birth chart.
If you, or may be Ed, Lynn, Sue or seawaves would like to have a copy - sorry, it's only in German - I would have the opportunity to send it to you as a thank you for all your help in the past.
If yes, please let me know and inform me about your address.
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Thank you for your kind offer Manfred. Unfortunately, altho I studied German language for 2 years at school, I can only remember a few words, so I wouldn't be able to understand your lecture. I appreciate you thinking of me. 
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