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| Posted: Sun Jul 12th, 2009 09:42 am |
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CONFUCES
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Dear Martijn!
I think the following will help.
Mr.M.A.Malik is a highly reputed,reasonably responsible and senior palmist.He is almost 82.He is graduated from Punjab University Lahore Pakistan, British Columbia Univ and Toronto University Canada.In the last chapters of his book (mentioned earlier) he has included the original hand photos as well as the ( hand made) sketches of the hands of various prominent heads of state and other world famous personalities.He has also included a hand made sketch of Benazir's right hand ( not the original photo ).This photo under discussion is not included in the book ( 14th edition printed in 1990).But there r ample chances that in the improved later editions the more photos may have been included.
In the book, Malik has clearly mentioned that he got this sketch from a politician and provincial minister for education ( who was fond of such collection and claims that he got this sketch directly from Benazir).Though he might have got Benazir's hand prints directly in the later years.
Malik did not pay much attention as (back then in 1988) Benazir did not have developed her own identity.She just came back from long exile,was young and known as the daughter of Z.A. Bhutto(also a formor prime minister).
'In the sketch,Malik showd a life line,head line,heart line,fate and sun line.He showed in the sketch and read that Benazir's fate and sun lines curves sharply towards mount of jupitors and reaches there.It is a very positive sign. He predicts (in 1988) that she will win the elections soon and will get in to power.He also predicts that she has come out of the testing time.conditions are favourable for her.But she is destined to enjoy fragile stability and will face uneasiness for ever.
Dear Martijn, I have zoomed in Benazir's original photo( with the baloons) and could not find her life line beyond the half way mark( of otherwise a normal life line curve).Plz. comment on this.
Confuces
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| Posted: Sun Jul 12th, 2009 11:17 am |
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hand_research
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Hello Confuces,
Thank you for so much more info about the (likely) background of the Malik photo!!
Do I understand you correctly? The lines we see in the PHOTO BELOW ... are not the true lines as seen in the ORIGINAL photo, but a few sketched-lines ... likely made by Mr Malik?
If this conclusion is correct:
I think I already described my thought in my former post ...
The PHOTO BELOW is a very poor quality photo, and I think the 'line sketcher' made some errors (but this is possibly not his own mistake because of the poor quality of the photo ... is the ORIGINAL much better?)
From my point of view ... especially because the hand lines were 'sketched' ... the PHOTO BELOW can not compete with the other materials that we found on the internet.
And it was certainly a "beginner's mistake" to use Malik's photo of Benazir Bhutto's right hand (the PHOTO BELOW with the drawn lines) ... for questioning the authenticity of the left HANDPRINT that was presented by UK palmist T. Stokes!
:thumbup
Last edited on Sun Jul 12th, 2009 11:19 am by hand_research
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| Posted: Sun Jul 12th, 2009 11:56 am |
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Manfred
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...perhaps it will help in the diescussion if you compare the quite different thumbs and thumb area. On this base can conclude in the best case it could only be an schematic revised drawing. I recommend to look on what is and to judge on that base than to think or believe.
Manfred
Last edited on Sun Jul 12th, 2009 12:15 pm by Manfred
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| Posted: Sun Jul 12th, 2009 12:09 pm |
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GM
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HI
Benazir Bhutoo had the habbit not to allow to retain the original hand prints. I think M.A.Malik has published her right hand print.
GM
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| Posted: Mon Jul 13th, 2009 08:22 am |
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shahid ali
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Hi Confuces
You are right to some extent but Mr. Malik did not get it from a provencial Minister of Education. He got the photo from a magazine while visiting to Provencial Minister of Educationan. Print/photo which i have enclosed taken from his book Asrar-e-Dast Shanashi published later/after 2000. He has another publication "New Horizon in Palmistry" published after it. I think more clear photo/print is there. I shall try to locate. However, Mr. M.A. Malik is a dependable palmist, has more than sixty years professional experience.
Take Care
Shahid Ali
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| Posted: Mon Jul 13th, 2009 10:17 am |
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hand_research
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shahid ali wrote: Hi Confuces
You are right to some extent but Mr. Malik did not get it from a provencial Minister of Education. He got the photo from a magazine while visiting to Provencial Minister of Educationan. Print/photo which i have enclosed taken from his book Asrar-e-Dast Shanashi published later/after 2000. He has another publication "New Horizon in Palmistry" published after it. I think more clear photo/print is there. I shall try to locate. However, Mr. M.A. Malik is a dependable palmist, has more than sixty years professional experience.
Take Care
Shahid Ali
Hello mister Shahid Ali,
Do you now also recognize that your attempt to disprove the authenticity of mister T Stokes' handprint (of Benazir Bhutto's LEFT hand) - on the basis of the picture (of Benazir Bhutto's RIGHT hand) was inappropriate.
For, the authenticity of the poor quality of your RIGHT hand picture (which can hardly be described as a 'photo' because of the sketched lines) can not even be confirmed by the PHOTOS of Benazir Bhutto's RIGHT hand that we found on the internet!
I hope we understood eachother correctly?
Last edited on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 10:27 am by hand_research
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| Posted: Mon Jul 13th, 2009 12:06 pm |
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GM
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Martijin
The basic thing is this print and print you uploaded are two differnet hands i.e left & right of BB.So, untill we get her left hand ,we cannot match.The shape and fingers are both hands seem to be of Benazir Bhutoo.
M.A.Malik formally saw her hand print and on the basis of that hand he made some predictions to this effect in a one of the popular news papers on Pakistan.In a meeting with Mr.Malik he confirmed me.One can contact him on his phone No.0092 42 5425476
I will try to ask someone from his party to help us out if one can.
GM
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| Posted: Tue Jul 14th, 2009 12:06 am |
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hand_research
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GM wrote: Martijin
The basic thing is this print and print you uploaded are two differnet hands i.e left & right of BB.So, untill we get her left hand ,we cannot match.The shape and fingers are both hands seem to be of Benazir Bhutoo.
M.A.Malik formally saw her hand print and on the basis of that hand he made some predictions to this effect in a one of the popular news papers on Pakistan.In a meeting with Mr.Malik he confirmed me.One can contact him on his phone No.0092 42 5425476
I will try to ask someone from his party to help us out if one can.
GM
:thumbup
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| Posted: Wed Jul 15th, 2009 08:14 am |
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GM
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In continuation of our discussion ,I upload rather more clear pics of Benazir's right hand.In comparison with these pictures and picture some frined quoted from the book of Mr.M.A.Malik. I think the sketch given by Mr.M.A.Malik is not an authentic to extent of lines he over drew.
GM
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GM
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Happyman
What you want to point out from Sun line??
GM
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| Posted: Wed Jul 15th, 2009 08:57 am |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 15th, 2009 10:55 am |
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hand_research
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GM wrote: In continuation of our discussion ,I upload rather more clear pics of Benazir's right hand.In comparison with these pictures and picture some frined quoted from the book of Mr.M.A.Malik. I think the sketch given by Mr.M.A.Malik is not an authentic to extent of lines he over drew.
GM
Hi GM,
Yes I agree ... drawing lines in a low quality photo where the lines are not good, is not a good idea at all.
Thanks for your confirmation!
Martijn.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16th, 2009 06:24 am |
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shahid ali
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Respected GM
Thank for providing more clear picture of BNB right hand, lines infact confirm to this outstanding personality. We are here to share true knowledge rather for dfeating/proving wrong to individual. However, having gone through your attachment of right hand, still in confusion for the authenthicity of left hand print.
Regards
Shahid Ali
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16th, 2009 09:39 am |
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GM
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Dear Shahid
Actually,Benazir did not use to display her hands in general and left hand in particular,when she was in public or under spot light.Even in interviews ,she used not to display her hands as frequently as other leaders used to do due to the reason unknown to me. She was not in a habit to talk with her hands.
The problem is we have many pictures of her right hand to compare with the hand picture given by M.A.Malik,which is no more authentic to me.There is lot of contradictions in lines in her real direct pictures and picture referred by M.A.Malik . Whereas ,Martijin is a responsible person in this fieled who sourced out the picture of her left hand and unfortunately there was no clear picture of her left hand to analyze for comparative study.So,we should have to accept her live print authentic unless proved otherwise. Once ,I also questioned Martijin of it's authenticity which he confirmed ok.
The shape of hand also suggests the same. The Saturn ring is also there which played fully in her accident prone life.
Martijin,is it possible to see her Major hand print of a first ever Muslim Prime Minister??
GM
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