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| Posted: Mon Jan 26th, 2009 09:38 am |
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hand_research
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the observer wrote: That is the coolest Einstein Handprint that I've ever seen. It's so clear. Thanks for posting it up.
Dear Hand_research, do you have any link on how to read fingerprints? 
It is true that the more whorl you have the better?
Hello observer,
Regarding the fingerprints combined with hand analysis you should really take notice of the work of Richard Unger, his book: Lifeprints: Deciphering Your Life Purpose from Your Fingerprints , and you can find his website at: http://www.handanalysis.net
However, some aspects in his approach of fingerprint classification are a bit unusual. So, be aware of this (though too complex to report more about this in this discussion). You should also take a look at Ed Campbell's : A HISTORY OF DERMATOGLYPHICS.
Regarding your question:
"It is true that the more whorl you have the better?"
No this is not true at all. One can not say that any finger is better than others. I think every fingerprint type has been associated with medical problems, but this is a rather complex topic as well - because the relationship between the fingerprints with any type of medical problem is rather weak.
Thanks for asking!!
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26th, 2009 09:57 am |
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hand_research
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temoor wrote: Hi dear Manfred,
Wow amazing. You find a clear sun line on the So called Albert Einstine's hand print.
Regard,
Ahmad Tamoor (Pak)
Hello Temoor,
Your answer in response to Manfred's observation on the sun line sounds a bit cynical ... however if you take a look at the high quality handprints you will notice that BOTH HANDS show a very long and clear sun line! I think Manfred made a very acurate observation.
Maybe you were a bit too early with your conclusions regarding the low quality handprints?
I hope you will also share your thoughts with us on the high quality handprints!!
Regards from The Netherlands,
Martijn.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26th, 2009 12:41 pm |
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temoor wrote: Dear hand research,
I think his thumb is much shorter (in print) than the thumb in the image.
His hand prints show the good print of his thumb and it is quite clear that it is short than the thumb in the picture.
Also take notice of the other questions. those are
1.It don't have clear and single sun line.
2. It don't have long and clear fate line
3.Even it don't have a single very special sign.
As for as the separation between the head and life line (from begining) is concerned it can be found on a lot of hands and especially in my research more than 25% of the young one's in western and american countries have this sign.
I am waiting your comments, questions and further replies.
Regard,
Ahmad Tamoor (Pak)
The sunline or fateline is there but not in a one single form. Also, Einstein did not get recognition till he was in his very old age. Till the time he achieved fame - he was just an eccentric aloof scientist. That could be the reason that the sunline is not prominent from the time he was in his 30s or 40s or 50s.
Also, scientists think crazy thoughts and thats how they come up with theories. Einstein's active palm lines suggest that. I definitely do see Sun lines and Fatelines in both hands. I also see a star on the Saturn mount on one of the palms.
I would want to know - if anyone has any information on this - if Einstein had the loop of memory, inspiration, humour, or industry..anyone?
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26th, 2009 04:02 pm |
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hand_research
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Hello Hansi,
Thanks for posting your info.
Regarding your question about the palmar loop in the hands of Einstein have:
- both hands: the 'raja loop' (in the interdigital zone between the index + middle finger)
- in the right hand: the 'loop of seriousness' - or what you call: "loop of industry'' (in the interdigital zone between the middle finger + the ring finger)
- in the left hand there might be a another loop in the interdigital zone below the ring finger (could be an 'amputated loop' - which should start + end in triradius under the finger finger).
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26th, 2009 04:09 pm |
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hansi
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- both hands: the 'raja loop' (in the interdigital zone between the index + middle finger)
- in the right hand: the 'loop of seriousness' - or what you call: "loop of industry'' (in the interdigital zone between the middle finger + the ring finger)
- in the left hand there might be a another loop in the interdigital zone below the ring finger (could be an 'amputated loop' - which should start + end in triradius under the finger finger).
Thank you Martijn,
I have marked some possible loops in the left hand - I could not make out the loops in the right hand due to darker ink.
Please comment if you think they are really there.
Attachment: Einstein-left-hand.jpg (Downloaded 141 times)
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26th, 2009 04:23 pm |
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hand_research
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Hansi ... actually, I think you've made an attempt to mark the loops in the RIGHT hand (though I am not 100% sure that it is his right hand):
My feedback on your 5 loop suggestions (from top to bottom) in Albert Einstein's RIGHT hand:
- Loop 1: 'raja loop' - I already described this loop
- Loop 2: 'seriousness loop' - I already described this loop
- Loop 3: 'loop of humor' - this loop is NOT present
- Loop 4: 'loop of memory' - this loop in NOT present
- Loop 5: 'loop of nature' - due to the weak quality of the print in this zone: I am not sure.
Hansi, in general I would advice you to work more precisely with any attempt to mark the loops in any palm, just for example I present here this picture as an illustration:
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27th, 2009 11:34 am |
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hand_research
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Hello Hansi,
Yesterday Manfred posted a quoted from the athor of the book (see below), and now I know for sure: the best quality hand is Einstein's right hand.
And I just took another look at the handprints ... and have discovered that in Einstein's left hand there appears to be a 'loop of nature'! (though, because of the weak quality of the print, I am not 100% sure about this observation either)
THE QUOTE:
( Manfred wrote: 'Here is the translated interpretation of M. Raschig about A. E. hand prints' )
“Albert Einstein’s hand (p.138) speaks without extending explanations for his own. It betrays the whole elan of this great thinker and scholar. It shows great harmony with their widely curved and beautiful drawn lines, with many bright illuminating dots and an extending net of rays on the mount of Venus.
The head line in the right hand doesn't break at any place. It is long, broad and clear. In the last third of its way the drawing is particularly interesting and captures the whole Luna mount, straightened by the broad and intensive travel lines, who are coming from the percussion.
The left heart line is in kind of a thin line inter weaved with it selves, on the right hand it is drawn with it selves and grabbed.
All in all the right hand has developed a more harmonious shape: Through clearness to the truth!
Here too: On both sides of the heart line arise the picture of a tree full with fruits. Under the middle finger is a Andrew cross, on the left Jupiter mount a broad star, who is sending a ray into the finger.
On the left Mercury mount we notice many little tuning forks. The fingers are striving upright, fine subdivided and elastically up. They tell us about a most extended empathy. This shows us his very fine and tender signature, too.”
Last edited on Tue Jan 27th, 2009 11:35 am by hand_research
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27th, 2009 11:36 am |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27th, 2009 11:56 am |
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hansi
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Thanks Martijn for clarifying and correcting the image.
When I tried to save the picture - it said "Einstein-left-hand.jpg'. I was wondering that it should have been right but then dismissed my thought.
Now, its clear.
And thank you for the illustration on marking loops..That is a great help. :D
A question: Do I see an island at the end of the head line on left hand? See the marking.
Attachment: IslandHead.JPG (Downloaded 154 times) Last edited on Tue Jan 27th, 2009 12:04 pm by hansi
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27th, 2009 12:56 pm |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28th, 2009 04:40 pm |
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hand_research
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PS. Thank you Manfred, the Observer, Temoor, Hansi, Lynn, Den, Rainejoy & Seawaves for making this great discussion ... so far!
... ok, I have finished my comprehensive review of Albert Einstein's hands:
 
JANUARY 28, 2009
Handprints: the hands of Albert Einstein!
What do the hands of Albert Einstein reveal about his independent personality, his suspected autism & his presumed left-handedness?'
JANUARY 28: ARTICLE - Handresearch.com:
Handprints: the hands of Albert Einstein!
THE HANDS OF ALBERT EINSTEIN: AN OVERVIEW IN 5 STEPS:
A quick overview of the content of my new article:
1 - Who was Albert Einstein?
2 - The hands of Einstein & his independent personality!
3 - The hands of Einstein & his suspected autism
4 - The hands of Einstein & his presumed left-handedness
5 - Professional hand readers about the hands of Einstein
Last edited on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 04:54 pm by hand_research
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28th, 2009 04:44 pm |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28th, 2009 05:11 pm |
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Lynn
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great article Martijn, very interesting.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28th, 2009 05:30 pm |
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Manfred
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.....nice article, Martijn... :thumbup ....and thank for the introduction! It makes me hungry to write new articles, too.
Manfred
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28th, 2009 05:33 pm |
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Helen B
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Hi Martijn,
Great article. I have learned something new from you once again.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28th, 2009 11:17 pm |
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hand_research
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Lynn, Manfred & Helen ... thanks!!
One more thought:
The right hand vs. the left hand differences in the hand morphology are extremely large (from my point of view) - while in the lines & dermatoglyphics the R-L differences are only a few.
Regarding the perceived extremely short fingers, this is only true for Einstein's RIGHT hand (not his left hand).
(I have printed the Einstein's high quality handprints (at: 150% size) - which makes it much more easy to find out how big these differences really are)
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29th, 2009 02:32 am |
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seawaves
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Hi All
Going by the cool scan posted now. For sure, it does not seem to the hand of Einstin.
The finger and thumb length in the picture as compared to the scan image is very diffirent.
I will not be surprised that given the events in 1930 and 31 with advent of Hitler ,if the scan was deliberately made to misguide the Nazis
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29th, 2009 07:06 am |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29th, 2009 09:57 am |
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hand_research
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seawaves wrote: Hi All
Going by the cool scan posted now. For sure, it does not seem to the hand of Einstin.
The finger and thumb length in the picture as compared to the scan image is very diffirent.
I will not be surprised that given the events in 1930 and 31 with advent of Hitler ,if the scan was deliberately made to misguide the Nazis
Have Fun
Hi Seawaves,
What 'picture' and what 'scan image' are you talking about?
PS. 1 - I don't think that the photos posted earlier in this discussion are suitable for measuring finger & thumb length: merely because these are no good photos of a fully 'stretched' hand, and also not from the inner side of the hand.
PS. 2 - I do not hope you're trying to make hard conclusions from this single picture below - by the way, in this photo (taken in 1940, 10 years after the handprints were taken in 1930): I see no hard evidence which could point out that the handprints do not belong to the man in the picture below: Albert Einstein.
Last edited on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 10:16 am by hand_research
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29th, 2009 11:01 am |
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Manfred
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Dear seawaves,
I'm shure you are gioing wrong. In 1930/31 it wasn't probable that A. Hitler would be ellected as chancellor (in April 1933). Definitely they are the hand prints of A. Einstein.
Manfred
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29th, 2009 01:20 pm |
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hand_research
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Hi Manfred,
Maybe it is also interesting to present here ARNOLD HOLTZMAN's view on short fingers (Holtzman send me this comment yesterday):
"It has been my experience that abnormally short fingers are often seen with children suffering from severely delayed intellectuel and emotional development. But these children also show deformed thumbs and deformations in other constructions in the hand. In my early days i did a lot of work with these unfortunate children. We would speak of them as being retarded. However, the relative finger length of autistic children that I have met won't all fit into the statistical framework described by the UK psychologist John T. Manning.
At the same time I can tell you that it has been my experience over the years that very short fingers (that are not bent or thin) on a strong, healthy palm with profound thenar and (especially) hypothenar developments, together promises genius."
(And his book Psychodiagnostic Chirology
Holtzman relates the short fingers to (page 81): "... intuitive faculties..", and "... a cognitive style where invention expands the significance and possibilities of whatever information the person accesses.")
PS. In Holtzman's first analysis of Einstein's prints (http://www.pdcpsyche.net/einstein.htm) he also pointed to this aspect - though I must notice here again: only the fingers of Einstein's right hand can be described as 'extremely short'.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29th, 2009 11:30 pm |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30th, 2009 12:20 am |
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Lynn
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I came here to post the link to Einstein's prints from Noel Jaquin's book.
You beat me to it Martijn! I was excited to discover another version of Einstein's handprint in my collection. I hope it confirms to the sceptics that the Einstein prints from M Raschig's book are genuine. It confirms it for me!
(edited multiple times!) I attach a photocopy that I made 10 years ago from Christopher Jones copy of the print in Jaquin's book, I tried to make it a bit lighter but it is still not good quality - save it and zoom in to see detail.
by the way, underneath the black ink on the arm, there is Einstein signature in same style of writing as on M. Raschig's print. If anyone doubts it, I can ask for a copy without the black ink obliterating it! my fault, I crossed it out many years ago so my students wouldn't guess whose hand it was 
If anyone has this book, "Signature of Time" by Noel Jaquin (also apparently published as "Secrets of Handreading" by Noel Jaquin) maybe you would be kind enough to scan the illustration direct from the book for us.
Attachment: einstein (1654 x 2338) lighter.jpg (Downloaded 98 times) Last edited on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 12:46 am by Lynn
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30th, 2009 06:26 am |
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Manfred
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Dear Lynn and Matijn,
thank you for the "Einstein news" I'll study the A. Holtzman text again at the weekend and will answer you then.
Manfred
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30th, 2009 05:08 pm |
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hand_research
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Lynn wrote: I came here to post the link to Einstein's prints from Noel Jaquin's book.
You beat me to it Martijn! I was excited to discover another version of Einstein's handprint in my collection. I hope it confirms to the sceptics that the Einstein prints from M Raschig's book are genuine. It confirms it for me!
(edited multiple times!) I attach a photocopy that I made 10 years ago from Christopher Jones copy of the print in Jaquin's book, I tried to make it a bit lighter but it is still not good quality - save it and zoom in to see detail.
by the way, underneath the black ink on the arm, there is Einstein signature in same style of writing as on M. Raschig's print. If anyone doubts it, I can ask for a copy without the black ink obliterating it! my fault, I crossed it out many years ago so my students wouldn't guess whose hand it was
If anyone has this book, "Signature of Time" by Noel Jaquin (also apparently published as "Secrets of Handreading" by Noel Jaquin) maybe you would be kind enough to scan the illustration direct from the book for us.
Hi Lynn,
Thanks for posting the copy from Jacquin's book, and thank you for posting the additional info regarding the second title.
(Sorry for bringing the news before you were able to post your material ... :yes)
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Hi Manfred and Martijn,
thanks for the high res prints and great discussion.
The article by Martijn was informative. However, I am a bit disturbed by the claim that Sydney crease' (or: Sydney line, an extremely long 'head line' which end at the side of the is related to Autism. I am a newbie and perhaps I am just freaking out no reason. But does it mean I have Autism? Am I going to have a very poor social life?
My palms are posted in the following discussion:
http://www.internationalcollegeofpalmistry.com/forum/forum142/3942.html
Can some one please please comment on it?
Thanks,
Milton
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hand_research
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milton.bose wrote: Hi Manfred and Martijn,
thanks for the high res prints and great discussion.
The article by Martijn was informative. However, I am a bit disturbed by the claim that Sydney crease' (or: Sydney line, an extremely long 'head line' which end at the side of the is related to Autism. I am a newbie and perhaps I am just freaking out no reason. But does it mean I have Autism? Am I going to have a very poor social life?
My palms are posted in the following discussion:
http://www.internationalcollegeofpalmistry.com/forum/forum142/3942.html
Can some one please please comment on it?
Thanks,
Milton
Hello milton.bose,
Thanks for asking your question!
First of all ... cool down!
Now, if you have a Sydney line there is no reason to freak-out ... please let me explain.
Maybe you heard of the simian crease (about 1% to 3% of normal healthy people have this line) - which is famous for it's significance in Down syndrome (various studies have indicated that 31% to 86% of people who have Down syndrome have the simian line as well).
So, if you have a simian line (I know you haven't) ... this doesn't mean that you should have Down syndrome!
(Hopefully you'll understand the following
Just like there is a significant statistical correlation between the simian line and Down syndrome, there is also a significant statistical correlation between the Sydney line & problems in early childhood (which sometimes manifests via an autistic disorder).
By the way ... milton.bose, I have found your hand photos in the other discussion ... and from my point of view: in both hands you do NOT have a Sydney line (nor a simian line). Your head lines are quite long ... but by far not long enough to call it a Sydney line.
PS. NOTICE: In the article I have remarked that Einstein does not have a 'typical' Sydney line either ... but the complex island at the end of Einstein's left head line does create a constellation which could be described as related to the Sydney line (some would prefer to call his a Sydney line, others might say that it doesn't meet the standard for a 'typica' Sydney line ... sometimes hand reading is a matter of 'perception')
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